1 00:01:04,710 --> 00:00:20,560 [Music] 2 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:07,719 and good afternoon from Philadelphia 3 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:10,610 Frank here with yet another edition of 4 00:01:15,670 --> 00:01:13,490 UFO news network Sunday honest Sunday 5 00:01:17,499 --> 00:01:15,680 believe it or not and we're ready to go 6 00:01:19,930 --> 00:01:17,509 let's not beat around the bush we've got 7 00:01:22,630 --> 00:01:19,940 one of our patented roundtables together 8 00:01:24,639 --> 00:01:22,640 for you got a real all-star lineup so 9 00:01:26,649 --> 00:01:24,649 let me bring in Shin Hanna to do the 10 00:01:28,810 --> 00:01:26,659 formal intros what's going on there chat 11 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:28,820 you know I wanted to just talk a little 12 00:01:34,930 --> 00:01:30,740 bit about your FileMaker con first and 13 00:01:38,889 --> 00:01:34,940 then get right into our fantastic show 14 00:01:40,990 --> 00:01:38,899 today and that is Bob Brown and Lorene 15 00:01:43,630 --> 00:01:41,000 Fenton we're producers of this 16 00:01:45,999 --> 00:01:43,640 interesting event they had many speakers 17 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:46,009 this year and they had a message they 18 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:47,450 wanted to share with everybody about it 19 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:49,640 and that is regarding their UFO Megacon 20 00:01:53,830 --> 00:01:52,310 no speaker is invited unless they have 21 00:01:56,919 --> 00:01:53,840 half they have new information to share 22 00:01:58,899 --> 00:01:56,929 and their website goes on to say as a 23 00:02:00,580 --> 00:01:58,909 ticket holder you know most of the 24 00:02:02,950 --> 00:02:00,590 career you apology speakers talk about 25 00:02:05,410 --> 00:02:02,960 the same thing repeatedly and then you 26 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:05,420 see them year after year and they said 27 00:02:10,089 --> 00:02:06,770 they just want to be different in the 28 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:10,099 respect that they have speakers with new 29 00:02:16,330 --> 00:02:13,730 material and so this year I actually had 30 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:16,340 the opportunity as Shane heard who is a 31 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:18,530 field investigator with Phoenix MUFON 32 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:22,250 how he felt about the event he actually 33 00:02:26,830 --> 00:02:24,489 went there with good friend of his and 34 00:02:29,710 --> 00:02:26,840 Shane how are you doing today 35 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:29,720 I'm doing quite well how about you guys 36 00:02:35,830 --> 00:02:32,780 great I wanted to ask you about the UFO 37 00:02:40,180 --> 00:02:35,840 Megacon event who did you see there and 38 00:02:42,699 --> 00:02:40,190 how did it go yeah we were only able to 39 00:02:45,490 --> 00:02:42,709 go for a couple of the days Friday and 40 00:02:48,190 --> 00:02:45,500 Saturday came back home on Sunday so we 41 00:02:50,619 --> 00:02:48,200 caught a few of the presentations and 42 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:50,629 then we were able to spend a lot of time 43 00:02:55,509 --> 00:02:53,480 kind of mingling around when was some 44 00:02:58,119 --> 00:02:55,519 old friends and making new friends and 45 00:03:00,910 --> 00:02:58,129 it was a really great time that way a 46 00:03:03,910 --> 00:03:00,920 couple of talks that we saw were two of 47 00:03:08,789 --> 00:03:03,920 the speakers at week on on Saturday one 48 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:08,799 was Kevin day who was speaking on the 49 00:03:14,770 --> 00:03:12,769 Nimitz case and he was accompanied by 50 00:03:15,559 --> 00:03:14,780 Gary Voorhees and both of those guys 51 00:03:18,229 --> 00:03:15,569 were 52 00:03:20,059 --> 00:03:18,239 radar operators during that event and 53 00:03:22,819 --> 00:03:20,069 they had a really great presentation in 54 00:03:24,649 --> 00:03:22,829 terms of what was different was they 55 00:03:28,850 --> 00:03:24,659 they really showed the emotional impact 56 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:28,860 that this had on them for many years and 57 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:31,650 it was negative for them but now they 58 00:03:36,110 --> 00:03:33,750 are really seeing that seeing it as a 59 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:36,120 positive so it's kind of interesting you 60 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:38,640 know take on it and they also displayed 61 00:03:44,119 --> 00:03:41,609 the more recent movie by Dave Beatty the 62 00:03:46,009 --> 00:03:44,129 animated movie about the event which was 63 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:46,019 really great and helped you know helps 64 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:48,150 you visualize what what that account is 65 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:51,810 because it is complex you hang around to 66 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:53,609 watch the credits and see my name in the 67 00:04:00,470 --> 00:03:58,290 credits by the way I did I did in fact I 68 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:00,480 stood up in the audience and what woohoo 69 00:04:08,929 --> 00:04:06,599 yeah yeah we love Dave Beatty you know 70 00:04:13,369 --> 00:04:08,939 after only three or four weeks of having 71 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:13,379 had his us nimitz movie on amazon it had 72 00:04:20,599 --> 00:04:15,000 1 million views do you remember that 73 00:04:23,150 --> 00:04:20,609 break oh yeah yeah and and there's also 74 00:04:24,830 --> 00:04:23,160 a friend of mine Brian Jackson who went 75 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:24,840 to the UFO Megacon event and he 76 00:04:28,939 --> 00:04:27,000 mentioned all the a tip guys that were 77 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:28,949 there can you tell us whether you 78 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:32,880 actually saw them or not oh yeah yeah we 79 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:36,720 in fact them we bumped into Kevin 80 00:04:42,620 --> 00:04:40,740 Jason Kearney or Gary Voorhees you know 81 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:42,630 walked around the casino and we kind of 82 00:04:45,890 --> 00:04:44,430 passed each other and weren't sure we 83 00:04:47,750 --> 00:04:45,900 recognized each other you know because 84 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:47,760 it's really just been on Facebook but I 85 00:04:51,890 --> 00:04:49,919 noticed the name tag and it jumped out 86 00:04:53,689 --> 00:04:51,900 and I caught it so we went over and 87 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:53,699 introduced ourselves and we you know we 88 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:55,680 had a drink and we talked on all things 89 00:05:00,950 --> 00:04:58,860 a tip and and the Nimitz case and then 90 00:05:03,260 --> 00:05:00,960 just in general you know their their 91 00:05:05,390 --> 00:05:03,270 experience with ufology which is really 92 00:05:08,089 --> 00:05:05,400 quite new for them so it was kind of 93 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:08,099 cool to talk to someone who was just 94 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:09,630 seeing this through a different set of 95 00:05:15,020 --> 00:05:12,570 eyes had no knowledge or interests of 96 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:15,030 ufology prior to and now they've been 97 00:05:19,310 --> 00:05:16,889 just swept into this you know the 98 00:05:22,159 --> 00:05:19,320 headfirst and so it was kind of cool to 99 00:05:23,750 --> 00:05:22,169 hear their perspective on lastly and 100 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:23,760 then I was gonna bring on our guests and 101 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:26,250 introduce them I wanted to talk to you 102 00:05:30,119 --> 00:05:28,449 Xin about how when 103 00:05:33,570 --> 00:05:30,129 you first walked in you actually saw 104 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:33,580 George Knapp and Jeremy Korbel yeah 105 00:05:37,589 --> 00:05:34,960 absolutely 106 00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:37,599 and you know we we had a great time you 107 00:05:42,899 --> 00:05:39,099 know hanging out and talking with those 108 00:05:44,820 --> 00:05:42,909 guys and and of course a they also we we 109 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:44,830 also saw Richard Doty there as well with 110 00:05:48,749 --> 00:05:47,409 them and walking around and you know it 111 00:05:50,939 --> 00:05:48,759 was just it was an interesting 112 00:05:54,269 --> 00:05:50,949 experience no doubt about it did you get 113 00:05:56,339 --> 00:05:54,279 to actually see George Noory there no I 114 00:05:58,950 --> 00:05:56,349 did not see George you know it's just 115 00:06:00,839 --> 00:05:58,960 curious um also I know there was just a 116 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:00,849 lot of easily recognizable people there 117 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:02,409 I was just curious if you saw anybody 118 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:04,749 else that you wanted to mention here at 119 00:06:07,829 --> 00:06:05,110 all 120 00:06:09,719 --> 00:06:07,839 Gareth you know oh yeah they it was an 121 00:06:12,059 --> 00:06:09,729 all-star lineup no doubt about it I 122 00:06:14,369 --> 00:06:12,069 think that like 50 or 60 speakers and as 123 00:06:17,689 --> 00:06:14,379 I mentioned we came at the end of the 124 00:06:20,429 --> 00:06:17,699 the 7 day event but we bumped into a 125 00:06:22,709 --> 00:06:20,439 sweetheart of a guy Peter Robbins just 126 00:06:27,149 --> 00:06:22,719 loved Peter he was a speaker at the 127 00:06:30,689 --> 00:06:27,159 event also race man ski who wrote the 128 00:06:32,670 --> 00:06:30,699 book 50 shades of Gray's and his his 129 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:32,680 experience at wright-patterson Air Force 130 00:06:38,489 --> 00:06:35,680 Base is really fascinating stuff and 131 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:38,499 he's a good guy in house 1/2 back of a 132 00:06:43,679 --> 00:06:41,830 sense of humor so that was just it was a 133 00:06:46,050 --> 00:06:43,689 great time we had just sitting around 134 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:46,060 and talking ufology and you know 135 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:49,930 shooting the ball it was great yeah well 136 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:52,449 I'd like to bring on our panel today we 137 00:06:58,589 --> 00:06:55,089 have a special show on the intelligence 138 00:07:00,209 --> 00:06:58,599 community the government and you apology 139 00:07:02,070 --> 00:07:00,219 and I just want to share a little bit 140 00:07:04,829 --> 00:07:02,080 about Shane hurt he just heard talking 141 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:04,839 there he is an experienced MUFON field 142 00:07:09,529 --> 00:07:06,550 investigator with Phoenix MUFON he's 143 00:07:11,670 --> 00:07:09,539 investigated for over 50 cases and 144 00:07:14,429 --> 00:07:11,680 regarding lights in the sky cases 145 00:07:16,679 --> 00:07:14,439 abduction cases hoaxes unidentified 146 00:07:18,779 --> 00:07:16,689 flying objects and Shane has also done 147 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:18,789 some brief TV radio podcasts and other 148 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:20,770 writing experiences regarding the UFO 149 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:23,649 phenomena moving on we also have the 150 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:26,560 wonderful role Grey everybody knows Earl 151 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:28,870 Grey he's the chief investigator for 152 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:31,810 Southern California Chapter of MUFON and 153 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:33,849 we're going to bring him in and then 154 00:07:41,550 --> 00:07:38,289 also we have the venerated and wonderful 155 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:41,560 doctor Irena the Cameron Scott who is a 156 00:07:45,529 --> 00:07:42,930 great great Granny's 157 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:45,539 John Purdue she has a PhD in physiology 158 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:47,850 from the University of Missouri was an 159 00:07:51,980 --> 00:07:49,830 assistant professor of biology at st. 160 00:07:54,890 --> 00:07:51,990 Bonaventure University she has published 161 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:54,900 works in biology and about Ohio history 162 00:08:00,620 --> 00:07:57,330 and she was also on the board of MUFON 163 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:00,630 directors in the 1990s through 2000 an 164 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:03,330 investigator and consultant and was an 165 00:08:10,189 --> 00:08:05,550 investigator for Koufos welcome to the 166 00:08:11,029 --> 00:08:10,199 show everyone thank you thank you thank 167 00:08:16,490 --> 00:08:11,039 you 168 00:08:19,219 --> 00:08:16,500 very interesting speaker that showed up 169 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:19,229 at UF Omega con I think it was a Richard 170 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:20,250 Doty 171 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:22,050 my understanding is he is an encounter 172 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:23,400 intelligence a confirmed 173 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:26,580 counterintelligence officer for the 174 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:28,440 United States government I think he's 175 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:31,380 retired now just a jump in he worked for 176 00:08:38,630 --> 00:08:33,240 a fuzzy the Air Force Office of Special 177 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:38,640 Investigations thank you and uh my 178 00:08:44,029 --> 00:08:41,250 understanding is he has done interviews 179 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:44,039 with George Knapp and a Linda Moulton 180 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:49,529 Howe regarding his work in the field I 181 00:08:55,790 --> 00:08:52,350 guess I had a little reservations about 182 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:55,800 him having been at UF Omega con Shan how 183 00:09:00,620 --> 00:08:57,570 do you feel about Richard Doty having 184 00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:00,630 been a speaker there yeah it was um 185 00:09:06,199 --> 00:09:02,940 actually that was one of the talks that 186 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:06,209 we you know made a point to of a singing 187 00:09:11,690 --> 00:09:10,230 and a hit you know it was a it was I was 188 00:09:14,810 --> 00:09:11,700 actually a little shocked that that he's 189 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:14,820 there um considering the fact that you 190 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:17,790 know he is confirm and counter telogen 191 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:20,490 s-- agent and he has some pretty 192 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:22,650 negative history with the Paul bennewitz 193 00:09:28,430 --> 00:09:25,890 case for example and you know he was 194 00:09:30,140 --> 00:09:28,440 making some statements and saying some 195 00:09:33,019 --> 00:09:30,150 things that I had not known and heard 196 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:33,029 about and it was it was you know it was 197 00:09:36,650 --> 00:09:34,709 very very interesting let's say that 198 00:09:40,430 --> 00:09:36,660 well I like what what was he saying that 199 00:09:43,069 --> 00:09:40,440 you hadn't heard well the one thing he 200 00:09:44,449 --> 00:09:43,079 had a bullet-pointed presentation and he 201 00:09:48,460 --> 00:09:44,459 kind of went through that kind of his 202 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:48,470 his story and one of the things that he 203 00:09:54,350 --> 00:09:50,730 had and it was again on the 204 00:09:55,810 --> 00:09:54,360 bullet-pointed presentation was that he 205 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:55,820 had worked for Howe 206 00:10:00,700 --> 00:09:57,890 put off for 11 years and I had never 207 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:00,710 heard that and I thought that was pretty 208 00:10:05,650 --> 00:10:02,750 shocking this I'd be interested to hear 209 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:05,660 what Hal has to say about that yeah I've 210 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:07,790 not heard or seen anything on that yet 211 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:10,490 so you know again you know if it's true 212 00:10:15,460 --> 00:10:12,370 or not I don't know again this this 213 00:10:18,790 --> 00:10:15,470 individual is his business is 214 00:10:20,650 --> 00:10:18,800 misinformation disinformation so I'm not 215 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:20,660 sure there's a single thing there that 216 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:23,690 you know you could hang your hat on it's 217 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:25,430 being absolutely true so yeah I would 218 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:27,350 only be fair I think for these other 219 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:30,440 people to you know have an opportunity 220 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:34,520 to comment on that I also was going to 221 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:38,570 ask Earl Grey and dr. Scott one more 222 00:10:44,890 --> 00:10:40,630 question for Shayne she did see the 223 00:10:47,590 --> 00:10:44,900 presentation did he blame the CIA for 224 00:10:50,380 --> 00:10:47,600 the majestic 12 and Scerbo material like 225 00:10:52,420 --> 00:10:50,390 I've heard him do in the past he didn't 226 00:10:54,850 --> 00:10:52,430 really go there on that presentation 227 00:10:57,730 --> 00:10:54,860 that I think if I could summarize what 228 00:11:02,740 --> 00:10:57,740 the presentation was about it was his 229 00:11:07,180 --> 00:11:02,750 explanation as to his role and how we 230 00:11:09,370 --> 00:11:07,190 should not hold that against him and 231 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:09,380 that did he talk at all about the 232 00:11:13,930 --> 00:11:11,510 disinformation he still continues to 233 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:13,940 spread within the community I know for a 234 00:11:23,950 --> 00:11:19,850 fact about he did not yeah yes this was 235 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:23,960 like I said this was a was a bit of a it 236 00:11:27,070 --> 00:11:25,610 appeared to me you know I don't know if 237 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:27,080 that was the intention but that it 238 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:30,640 appeared to me it was sort of a you know 239 00:11:37,690 --> 00:11:34,430 an explanation as to you know his his 240 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:37,700 role and behavior and why we should not 241 00:11:45,010 --> 00:11:42,710 hold that against him got it yeah I was 242 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:45,020 gonna actually ask Earl Grey a question 243 00:11:49,780 --> 00:11:47,990 if you had gone UFO Megacon and you had 244 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:49,790 seen a counterintelligence officer on 245 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:52,310 the docket you know on the ticket to 246 00:12:02,680 --> 00:11:54,470 speak what would be your perspective 247 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:05,410 you know you I've heard for years you 248 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:07,100 know it that it's always a fun thing to 249 00:12:13,329 --> 00:12:09,529 do is to go to an event like that or the 250 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:13,339 MUFON symposium or what-have-you and try 251 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:15,050 to figure out who the intelligence 252 00:12:20,499 --> 00:12:17,769 agents are that are out in the crowd and 253 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:20,509 so you know and I don't know if there's 254 00:12:27,819 --> 00:12:24,769 such a thing as an X intelligence agent 255 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:27,829 and I you know I mean I think that you 256 00:12:34,030 --> 00:12:31,250 have to keep it in perspective you have 257 00:12:36,309 --> 00:12:34,040 to be circumspect and question what you 258 00:12:39,249 --> 00:12:36,319 hear from people especially if they've 259 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:39,259 had a background where they've sort of 260 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:40,910 been called out as being dissing 261 00:12:46,329 --> 00:12:44,569 formants from time to time and I mean 262 00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:46,339 Rick Doty definitely has a little 263 00:12:54,369 --> 00:12:51,680 history of people saying that that he's 264 00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:54,379 you know disseminator of disinformation 265 00:13:02,860 --> 00:12:56,959 out there and that sometimes it's been 266 00:13:05,139 --> 00:13:02,870 in in a you know governmental form you 267 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:05,149 know that he was doing what he was 268 00:13:09,819 --> 00:13:08,089 supposed to be doing so I don't know I 269 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:09,829 mean you have to be circumspect but I 270 00:13:15,009 --> 00:13:11,630 don't think there's really any way for 271 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:15,019 us to get around being observed and and 272 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:18,350 and having the disinformation thrown at 273 00:13:23,230 --> 00:13:21,290 us and and the thing about Rick Doty 274 00:13:26,170 --> 00:13:23,240 that's interesting is is that you know 275 00:13:30,699 --> 00:13:26,180 at least from what I've heard and I 276 00:13:33,220 --> 00:13:30,709 think intelligence altogether that 277 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:33,230 they'll mix a little bit of the truth in 278 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:36,889 with with the lies and it's sort of up 279 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:39,170 to you to figure out what is what 280 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:41,630 so just because Richard Doty says 281 00:13:45,129 --> 00:13:43,250 something doesn't mean I'm just gonna 282 00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:45,139 immediately discount it but there 283 00:13:49,449 --> 00:13:47,120 certainly is a little red flag that goes 284 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:49,459 up all right 285 00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:51,680 you don't yes a lot of times what I've 286 00:13:57,309 --> 00:13:53,839 found in looking at material like mj-12 287 00:14:00,480 --> 00:13:57,319 or serpo is there there are facts in 288 00:14:04,660 --> 00:14:00,490 there that are sort of placed in there 289 00:14:05,439 --> 00:14:04,670 to add credibility to the lies if you 290 00:14:09,790 --> 00:14:05,449 get my meaning 291 00:14:11,740 --> 00:14:09,800 yes I mean it was just with serpo we 292 00:14:15,549 --> 00:14:11,750 also mean I don't know about you when I 293 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:15,559 read that I I was hoping it was true I 294 00:14:18,390 --> 00:14:16,150 mean 295 00:14:20,910 --> 00:14:18,400 so a bit sort of went along with with 296 00:14:23,790 --> 00:14:20,920 what we'd heard about you know the 297 00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:23,800 supposed landing at Holloman Base and 298 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:26,740 and and you know there is an exchange 299 00:14:34,650 --> 00:14:31,690 program and and of course now I don't 300 00:14:38,970 --> 00:14:34,660 know if any of that story is true 301 00:14:41,460 --> 00:14:38,980 probably not I would bet against that I 302 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:41,470 would bet against it as well you know we 303 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:44,140 wish it would be nice but no I don't 304 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:47,200 think so I think it can be said with a 305 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:49,420 near certainty that the US government 306 00:14:54,269 --> 00:14:52,089 has been heavily involved in tracking 307 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:54,279 certain interest groups throughout 308 00:15:00,210 --> 00:14:57,040 history if it has to do anything with 309 00:15:02,130 --> 00:15:00,220 like from being pro-gun to the UF ology 310 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:02,140 community all spectrum of different 311 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:04,390 types of subjects we kind of recoup that 312 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:07,270 is self-created grassroots kind of 313 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:10,960 organization the US government even 314 00:15:14,430 --> 00:15:12,760 going back to like the 50s probably 315 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:14,440 before that you know when unions were 316 00:15:17,579 --> 00:15:16,150 being created they would show up to 317 00:15:19,790 --> 00:15:17,589 those kind of meetings to find out 318 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:19,800 what's going on here they would actually 319 00:15:24,210 --> 00:15:22,450 accumulate as much data and start a file 320 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:24,220 on that you know the Hoover era is 321 00:15:27,780 --> 00:15:26,529 famous for that I wanted to ask you 322 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:27,790 because Earl brought up a great point 323 00:15:34,199 --> 00:15:31,750 about how he would not be surprised if 324 00:15:36,510 --> 00:15:34,209 there's intelligence agents showing up 325 00:15:38,670 --> 00:15:36,520 at these kind of gatherings do you think 326 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,680 that they're still as actively involved 327 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:40,800 now as they were back then 328 00:15:45,150 --> 00:15:43,450 anybody regarding the intelligence 329 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:45,160 community being involved in showing up 330 00:15:52,290 --> 00:15:47,080 these kind of gang gatherings or 331 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:52,300 conventions why I could say that you 332 00:15:58,050 --> 00:15:54,630 know I was aware of the intelligence 333 00:16:01,110 --> 00:15:58,060 being involved with ufology at least you 334 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:01,120 know in the 50 60s and 70s it's you know 335 00:16:08,190 --> 00:16:05,800 it it wasn't really terribly obvious of 336 00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:08,200 late but now with some of the other 337 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:11,440 revelations that you know Rick Doty had 338 00:16:16,769 --> 00:16:13,870 mentioned you know it appears that in 339 00:16:19,170 --> 00:16:16,779 fact they have always been part of 340 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:19,180 ufology and you know and and let me 341 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:22,959 clarify I'm not you know anti 342 00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,290 intelligence efforts for our country to 343 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:28,000 you know assure that we're safe and all 344 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:29,410 of those things and 345 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:32,470 you know that's very legitimate but you 346 00:16:37,650 --> 00:16:34,750 know infiltrating an organization and 347 00:16:41,730 --> 00:16:37,660 seeding disinformation I think is a just 348 00:16:43,499 --> 00:16:41,740 a different level that that causes one 349 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:43,509 to have concern right because you know 350 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:45,790 if you're the subject of this or not so 351 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:48,370 yes you know that in that way it's 352 00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:50,170 concerning and it's a waste of my money 353 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:54,220 waste of my tax dollars wanted to 354 00:16:58,079 --> 00:16:55,720 mention something and then asked dr. 355 00:16:59,819 --> 00:16:58,089 Irena Scott a question my understanding 356 00:17:02,999 --> 00:16:59,829 is there was a media outlet by the name 357 00:17:05,730 --> 00:17:03,009 of Fifth Estate that broke a story about 358 00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:05,740 M Cultra in Canada at a certain mental 359 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:07,600 hospital where they were actually 360 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:09,250 experimenting on mental patients there 361 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:11,260 and it was the government getting 362 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:14,049 involved in the lives of citizens trying 363 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:17,770 to gather data on them and how they 364 00:17:22,439 --> 00:17:19,360 might potentially be able to use them as 365 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:22,449 assets later I think after that story 366 00:17:30,510 --> 00:17:27,750 was broke broke then the US government 367 00:17:33,060 --> 00:17:30,520 put the thumb down on the CIA and said 368 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:33,070 you guys can no longer use your powers 369 00:17:38,669 --> 00:17:35,500 to investigate in the capacity you did 370 00:17:42,029 --> 00:17:38,679 before you know you now have a limited 371 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:42,039 capacity to investigate people so then 372 00:17:46,980 --> 00:17:45,250 what the CIA did and anybody can read 373 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:46,990 this online this is not difficult to do 374 00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:50,110 research on they now have to use assets 375 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:52,000 they're called assets they're not actual 376 00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:54,039 real direct employees you know somebody 377 00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,750 within their department they have to 378 00:17:59,850 --> 00:17:57,280 hire somebody out of the country in 379 00:18:01,230 --> 00:17:59,860 order to or just outside their 380 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:01,240 organization to find out more about 381 00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:05,470 people in our country dr. Scott I was 382 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:07,360 going to ask you a question have you 383 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:09,250 ever had the opportunity to learn a 384 00:18:13,289 --> 00:18:10,750 little bit more about the government 385 00:18:15,899 --> 00:18:13,299 getting more involved with the field of 386 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:15,909 ufology like Project Blue Book for 387 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:18,370 example or any capacity how do you feel 388 00:18:24,539 --> 00:18:20,049 about the government being involved in 389 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:24,549 the area of you apology well my last 390 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:28,150 book I told a lot about Project Blue 391 00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:32,830 Book and it was mainly about Battelle 392 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:35,919 Memorial Institute and an investigation 393 00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:40,750 of what went on there when they worked 394 00:18:46,110 --> 00:18:43,120 for Project Blue Book 395 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:46,120 I had a number of doctor Hynix 396 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:51,760 handwritten letters that sort of told 397 00:18:56,850 --> 00:18:53,710 what he was doing what he was interested 398 00:19:00,920 --> 00:18:56,860 in and I had worked for the government 399 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:00,930 like the DIA and it was my impression 400 00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:04,450 high in the security that the government 401 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:10,060 knows about UFOs but it although what I 402 00:19:15,630 --> 00:19:12,310 worked with should have been connected 403 00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:15,640 with UFOs it wasn't I was in error 404 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:18,040 orders battle for a while with a real 405 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:19,510 high security clearance where I was 406 00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:22,690 supposed to identify airplanes over I 407 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:25,840 mean a aircraft over a certain area but 408 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:29,830 we didn't have any information about in 409 00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:32,770 our security clearances about UFOs even 410 00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:36,160 though we might have seen one you had 411 00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:37,960 access being in the position you did 412 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:40,060 working for the government to classified 413 00:19:44,190 --> 00:19:42,250 files what does it mean to have 414 00:19:46,260 --> 00:19:44,200 classified material what does that mean 415 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:46,270 top-secret information so the average 416 00:20:00,420 --> 00:19:54,400 person can understand that above 417 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:00,430 top-secret security clearances and it's 418 00:20:07,890 --> 00:20:02,980 now cold I mean it's well what's called 419 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:07,900 into sensitive compartmentalize 420 00:20:16,830 --> 00:20:11,230 information and there's several types of 421 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:16,840 it it's above top-secret and there's 422 00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:20,320 specific code words that go for specific 423 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:25,240 things you do that are like a keyhole 424 00:20:30,290 --> 00:20:27,880 where you open up and you can get into 425 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:30,300 certain things depending on your on your 426 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:33,700 code word classification and like mine 427 00:20:39,630 --> 00:20:36,610 was it's been classified now talent 428 00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:39,640 keyhole I think it's called TK now it's 429 00:20:45,450 --> 00:20:43,320 a very high clearance and mine was for 430 00:20:47,940 --> 00:20:45,460 satellite photography and that sort of 431 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:47,950 thing but there's different types of it 432 00:20:55,770 --> 00:20:54,190 for different things and then also are 433 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:55,780 you able to talk about how there's 434 00:20:58,410 --> 00:20:56,770 people close to you 435 00:20:59,820 --> 00:20:58,420 work for the government as well or did 436 00:21:03,950 --> 00:20:59,830 you want me to go ahead and move on to 437 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:07,440 doctors got her are you there yeah okay 438 00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:09,370 oh I was gonna ask you are you in a 439 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:10,750 position to talk about how there's 440 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:12,970 people that were close to you in your 441 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,170 life who actually worked for the 442 00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:16,240 government in certain capacities or I 443 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:18,900 can ask a different question if you wish 444 00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:22,150 okay I I was just yesterday talking to a 445 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:25,270 person called Jenny's idling who had 446 00:21:30,810 --> 00:21:28,330 worked for the budget would look she 447 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:30,820 gave me a lot of information about that 448 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:35,500 I use in my last book about but so far 449 00:21:39,780 --> 00:21:37,000 as I know I don't know right now what 450 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:39,790 I'm really working for the government 451 00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:42,610 oh yeah I know I meant in the past but 452 00:21:49,050 --> 00:21:45,700 yeah there's actually interesting 453 00:21:52,670 --> 00:21:49,060 stories about counterintelligence agents 454 00:21:55,950 --> 00:21:52,680 having worked for area 51 for example 455 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:55,960 what I was going to ask Shane and Earl 456 00:22:00,690 --> 00:21:58,690 and dr. Scott if they want to chime in 457 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:00,700 is how do you feel about a 458 00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:04,000 counterintelligence agent working at 459 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:07,990 area 51 my take on it is my 460 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:10,300 understanding is back in the 60s and 70s 461 00:22:17,310 --> 00:22:12,610 if they were working there it was to 462 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:17,320 keep the Russians out going on that how 463 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:19,410 do you what are your thoughts on that 464 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:24,610 particular topic anyone well I'll take 465 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:27,730 that Mike yeah my guess is a lot of 466 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:29,730 these Air Force facilities for example 467 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:33,190 they're located you know not far from 468 00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:34,810 neighborhoods writing communities all 469 00:22:41,910 --> 00:22:38,260 over the country so if some sort of 470 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:41,920 foreign intelligence was looking to get 471 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:44,140 some information from those places you 472 00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:47,260 know they sort of have to be at least to 473 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:50,140 an extent involved in that countering 474 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:52,390 that but the idea taking the extra step 475 00:22:59,760 --> 00:22:56,080 to you know spy on that private 476 00:23:02,130 --> 00:22:59,770 organizations look into and attend 477 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:02,140 meetings of private organizations that 478 00:23:08,610 --> 00:23:03,850 to me seems a little bit over the line 479 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:08,620 but that's me well yeah and then I was 480 00:23:14,850 --> 00:23:10,150 also going to ask 481 00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:14,860 shame or earl or dr. scott do you have 482 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:17,380 any opinions on the government being 483 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:19,540 involved in our lives now regarding the 484 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:22,690 topic of the apology for example I guess 485 00:23:27,870 --> 00:23:23,980 there was some sort of form of 486 00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:27,880 disclosure a couple years ago when a 487 00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:31,540 certain article hit the internet about a 488 00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:34,390 tip was a top-secret pentagon program 489 00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:37,320 that Lou Elizondo was involved in and 490 00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:39,580 that gave us a little bit of insight 491 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:41,470 regarding the possibility of there being 492 00:23:46,890 --> 00:23:44,290 involved in the topic of the apology my 493 00:23:49,410 --> 00:23:46,900 opinion on that is the US government has 494 00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:49,420 always been involved in the topic of the 495 00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:52,060 apology they've never not been anything 496 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,790 that could pose a threat to our skies 497 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:56,080 they would definitely want to know more 498 00:24:06,540 --> 00:23:58,450 about it was there any opinion anybody 499 00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:06,550 has on that I mean you you can I you 500 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:09,100 know to me that makes perfect sense 501 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:12,370 and I mean you follow just since 1969 502 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:14,920 have been saying look you know the 503 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:16,930 government is not out of the UFO 504 00:24:22,050 --> 00:24:18,550 business it would make no sense that 505 00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:22,060 they are and I think it's legitimate and 506 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:24,790 and it's not a shock however I think 507 00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:28,630 that announcement identifying that 508 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:30,040 program in the budget and all those 509 00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:33,670 things was one of the biggest things to 510 00:24:40,380 --> 00:24:36,670 hit ufology in decades and and and 511 00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:40,390 because it is confirmation that what you 512 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:41,830 follow just have been saying for all 513 00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:44,410 these years wasn't in fact true you know 514 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:47,680 so there are sort of a vindication that 515 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:50,410 came with that and I thought that was 516 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,850 really good and I thought it was 517 00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:53,440 important and I think it suggests 518 00:24:58,020 --> 00:24:55,510 something I'm not sure what it suggests 519 00:25:01,800 --> 00:24:58,030 but the fact that that has come out that 520 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:01,810 commitment was made that revelation you 521 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:04,180 know is really a big deal now I does 522 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:05,950 anyway let me jump in here does anyone 523 00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:08,590 have any misgivings about the fact that 524 00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,540 the through the Stars Academy which 525 00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:12,400 seems like something of a private-sector 526 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:16,360 spinoff from the a tip program with Lou 527 00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:18,760 Elizondo involved a former intelligence 528 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:21,400 officer and the vice president of 529 00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:23,530 operations jimson event 530 00:25:28,050 --> 00:25:25,630 being a former senior intelligence 531 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:28,060 service member of the CIA does anyone 532 00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:30,370 have any misgivings about their effort 533 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:32,740 as a result of the backgrounds of these 534 00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,050 two individuals I think they're coming 535 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:38,080 from sort of a that they're treating it 536 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:40,810 the phenomena as a threat because that's 537 00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:42,910 where they came from when they were 538 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:46,390 studying it for the government so if 539 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:48,790 there's any misgiving that I have about 540 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:50,890 a chip that would probably be it that I 541 00:25:56,730 --> 00:25:53,290 think that there that they already have 542 00:25:58,530 --> 00:25:56,740 a conjecture in mind as to what is 543 00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,540 happening on our planet with our 544 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:01,360 visitors and what their motivation for 545 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:03,490 visiting us is and they're seeing it as 546 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:05,680 a threat you know I mean it was a threat 547 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:08,110 assessment group and we know that they 548 00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:10,150 had this group because we we've got the 549 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:12,430 documents now you know that I mean I 550 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,650 guess it came out with a wiki leak spill 551 00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:16,720 but but of course you know we know that 552 00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:19,780 John Podesta and Harry Reid and all 553 00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:21,580 these guys that were high-level 554 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:23,860 government we're involved in this and 555 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:25,470 that the government's at least 556 00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:28,930 interested in UFOs enough to throw 22 557 00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:31,150 million dollars at it in that particular 558 00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:34,600 instance and more on other programs that 559 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:36,940 yeah I have a vague idea about but I 560 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:38,290 don't doubt that they've been going on 561 00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:42,250 all along yeah yeah and then to you know 562 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:44,350 I think Frank not you know not to get 563 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:49,360 conspiratorial here but even with you 564 00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:51,490 know the t TSA and considering who's 565 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:55,540 involved I think you always have to have 566 00:26:59,790 --> 00:26:57,370 a measure of caution when it comes to 567 00:27:01,230 --> 00:26:59,800 the information and and that's that's 568 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:01,240 simply because I mean you shouldn't 569 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:04,030 anyway but yes these are intelligence 570 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:07,090 folks and again it they sort of appeared 571 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,830 out of nowhere at a certain time in a 572 00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:10,720 certain place with certain information I 573 00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:13,900 mean I don't think any of this was you 574 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:16,360 know by accident it's it's contrived 575 00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:18,370 there's thought behind it effort behind 576 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:20,980 it and there's a goal right I mean every 577 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:23,740 organization has a goal right so you 578 00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:27,730 know is it clearly is that goal and in 579 00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:30,400 the intent clearly you know communicated 580 00:27:35,130 --> 00:27:32,680 to us I don't know but I you know my 581 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:35,140 feeling is you know time will tell let's 582 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:37,390 observe not what said 583 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:39,790 the actions and then yes when you can 584 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:44,049 begin to formulate you know a an opinion 585 00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:47,049 based on you know facts not not just an 586 00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:49,420 opinion or impression so that's kind of 587 00:27:53,549 --> 00:27:51,940 what I'm a wait-and-see guy let's you 588 00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:53,559 know I'm hopeful I'm really hopeful that 589 00:27:57,150 --> 00:27:55,540 you know that they're legit and that 590 00:27:59,460 --> 00:27:57,160 they bring forth you know really good 591 00:28:01,680 --> 00:27:59,470 information now I think we all want that 592 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:01,690 and if I had millions of dollars at my 593 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:04,660 disposal I'd do the same thing so any of 594 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:06,730 this would right so you know I'm very 595 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:09,370 hopeful but you know cautious yeah if 596 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:11,650 you do look at the bottom y know one 597 00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:12,970 thing is that they've gotten an awful 598 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:15,400 lot of mileage off not that much gas 599 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:17,710 what they really talked about is largely 600 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:20,530 the Nimitz case which has been backed up 601 00:28:25,169 --> 00:28:23,049 I think by enough independent witnesses 602 00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:25,179 who are now in the private sector that 603 00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,820 that was a legit case of Robert now had 604 00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:29,919 a line on that case before these guys 605 00:28:34,919 --> 00:28:32,200 even came down the pike and they're also 606 00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:34,929 talking about the metamaterials which 607 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:37,600 has been a thing in the UFO field for 608 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:39,910 some time again going back aways they've 609 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:42,010 got their samples they're testing there 610 00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:44,410 is a another effort to head it up by 611 00:28:48,659 --> 00:28:46,390 Jacques Vallee and Gary Nolan they've 612 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:48,669 got their samples and they're working on 613 00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:50,860 those and that's really about all 614 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:52,600 they've had they've also had a couple of 615 00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:57,250 videos that we think were a result of an 616 00:29:02,669 --> 00:28:59,650 incident off the east coast of the US 617 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:02,679 and 2015 I think that's the the go fast 618 00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:07,510 and the gimble video yeah yeah I get 619 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:10,150 those confused sometimes and that 620 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:11,770 apparently was a very large and 621 00:29:15,690 --> 00:29:13,570 interesting case not too similar to the 622 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:15,700 Nimitz but we don't know yeah well we 623 00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:17,890 also don't have like I think maybe a 624 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:20,799 good dozen individuals coming forward 625 00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:22,390 regarding that Nimitz case so that that 626 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:25,000 that's a pretty huge case and again like 627 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:26,410 you're saying the proof is in the 628 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:29,620 pudding and what they've at least 629 00:29:36,659 --> 00:29:32,950 discussed openly in the last year and a 630 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:36,669 half or so has proved out so we'll see 631 00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:38,770 where it goes obviously yeah the thing 632 00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:41,679 is that I look at them and see is not a 633 00:29:48,299 --> 00:29:45,340 whole lot and elizondo's running this 634 00:29:50,610 --> 00:29:48,309 organization for five years then you 635 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:50,620 know they're there had to be some cases 636 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:51,850 if you notice they're not really 637 00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,550 discussing any cases that happen during 638 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:56,590 the time that he was running the ATF or 639 00:30:00,060 --> 00:29:58,330 SAP program you know that I think that's 640 00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:00,070 a little weird there had to be something 641 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:01,750 coming across his desk in real time I 642 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:04,809 would think good points Franken one of 643 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:06,130 the things that I think that illustrates 644 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:10,150 is what is different about tea tsa is 645 00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:12,280 well astray by the fact that yes that 646 00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:14,740 Nimmons case was out there before and no 647 00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:16,660 one knew about it no one heard about it 648 00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:19,180 obviously now with some TSA it seems 649 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:22,420 like their role you know is it and and 650 00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:24,370 if that's a role they fulfilled the well 651 00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,470 is making it making it known to people 652 00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:28,960 and not just within the UFO community 653 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:31,300 but I mean I'm sure we all saw all the 654 00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:32,920 footage and coverage when that came out 655 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:34,990 in the mainstream media and it really 656 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:37,809 moved the meter when it came to you know 657 00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:40,330 the ridicule factor and and having 658 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:43,240 something taken seriously so even if 659 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:44,830 that's all they accomplished that in 660 00:30:49,650 --> 00:30:47,530 itself was a big thing yeah they they 661 00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,660 fired up but some investigators I know 662 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:52,000 dug in and are getting more actively 663 00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:54,160 involved and of course they made it a 664 00:30:58,799 --> 00:30:56,710 little bit safer for witnesses to come 665 00:31:01,230 --> 00:30:58,809 out and start talking and they've also 666 00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:01,240 made it a little safer I think for some 667 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:03,790 people in the scientific community to 668 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:05,410 get more actively involved we saw that 669 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:07,870 down in Alabama I guess a little bit 670 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:10,090 more than a week ago and some people are 671 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:13,090 coming forward in that field and they're 672 00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:15,010 talking a little bit more about UFOs a 673 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:16,660 little bit more openly and that's a good 674 00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:18,610 thing I'm all for that so they've done a 675 00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,740 good job again if you judge the bottom 676 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,960 line like you were talking about so far 677 00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:24,880 so good you know we just want to know 678 00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:28,540 more it's open to dialogue in public 679 00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:30,940 that's that's the good thing mm-hmm 680 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:35,940 huge huge huge I mean the New York Times 681 00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:39,010 article what can you say about that 682 00:31:46,049 --> 00:31:43,390 that's you know what else would you call 683 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:46,059 disclosure I'm not really waiting for 684 00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,270 the White House to go and and make an 685 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:52,240 announcement it's the closest thing to 686 00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:54,220 disclosure that we've gotten and 687 00:31:59,220 --> 00:31:55,960 probably the closest that we're going to 688 00:32:03,240 --> 00:31:59,230 get you have to give you have to give to 689 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:03,250 the stars guys you know 690 00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:06,010 some cred forfor being the ones that 691 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:08,260 took that and ran with it and got that 692 00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:13,330 out into the public I share a little bit 693 00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:15,790 about who Jim semi van is because our 694 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,590 listeners may not be familiar with him 695 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:20,320 right away he's a co-founder and vice 696 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:22,810 president of operations for TT SA which 697 00:32:29,850 --> 00:32:25,090 is a to the Stars Academy that Tom 698 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:29,860 DeLonge founded and he is also he 699 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:31,540 primarily worked as a consultant for the 700 00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,610 intelligence community on classified 701 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:36,640 topics including intelligence community 702 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:38,890 leadership training CIA tradecraft 703 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:42,480 training and IC programs which is it 704 00:32:46,050 --> 00:32:44,370 let's see 705 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:46,060 intelligence communities what that 706 00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:48,010 stands for IC programs for countering 707 00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:50,830 weapons of mass destruction mister semi 708 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:53,860 van retired from the CIA's Directorate 709 00:32:58,770 --> 00:32:56,290 of Operations after 25 years and as an 710 00:33:01,500 --> 00:32:58,780 Operations Officer both overseas and 711 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:01,510 domecq domestically and then I wanted to 712 00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:03,280 just mention a little bit about Lou 713 00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:05,590 Elizondo he's the director of global 714 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:08,200 security and special programs for to the 715 00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:10,210 stars Academy he is a career 716 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:11,980 intelligence officer whose experience 717 00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:13,930 includes working with the US Army the 718 00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:15,940 Department of Defense the National 719 00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:18,670 counterintelligence executive the 720 00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:20,590 Director of National Intelligence and so 721 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:22,990 on it's he's got quite a long resume 722 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:25,300 there he was a former Special Agent in 723 00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,370 Charge and he conducted and supervised 724 00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:30,240 highly sensitive espionage and terrorism 725 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:32,470 investigations around the world was 726 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:35,410 going to ask you all how often do you 727 00:33:39,270 --> 00:33:37,510 think the world of you ethology has 728 00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:39,280 anything to do with the world of 729 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:48,880 terrorism anyone see that not too often 730 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:53,350 I ask that is you know I obviously a lot 731 00:33:58,530 --> 00:33:55,000 of these intelligence officers get 732 00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,540 involved undercover that goes without 733 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:01,120 saying undercover into these UFO G 734 00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:04,330 groups looking for something well it's 735 00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:06,700 not terrorism that's what I believe it's 736 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:09,670 probably not then what is it 737 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:12,250 would anybody like to chime in on what 738 00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:14,650 do they think the most obvious factors 739 00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:16,750 are regarding why a counter 740 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:18,550 intelligence agent would want to get 741 00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:25,800 well maybe it's what Earl had coming on 742 00:34:32,010 --> 00:34:29,080 earth earlier is that they view it as a 743 00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:32,020 threat and if it's viewed as a threat 744 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:35,350 then you gather all the intelligence you 745 00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:38,409 can and see where it fits in that that 746 00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:42,040 theory so maybe it's simply just that if 747 00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:46,030 they have information or if they can 748 00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:48,790 learn information from ufology or if 749 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,710 it's going down a track that's harmful 750 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:52,960 that they feel is harmful or a threat 751 00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:54,970 then maybe that's when they engage in 752 00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,760 the disinformation stuff to to steer the 753 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:00,400 conversation away from something that 754 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:03,190 could be a threat to them so position I 755 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:07,110 think it has been discussed where the a 756 00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,090 lot of the advanced tech there they're 757 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:11,440 always said developing the next 758 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:15,490 generation of our G newer planes and all 759 00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:19,510 that and there I don't think there's too 760 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:20,620 much doubt there's at least some 761 00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:23,170 crossover between UFO sightings and 762 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:25,390 people seeing some of our more advanced 763 00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:27,310 tech before it that gets into the public 764 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:29,230 eye so I think there might be some 765 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:32,050 element of that in there but again I 766 00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:35,650 don't know that it really requires again 767 00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:37,030 trying to infiltrate private 768 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:39,340 organizations such an income 769 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:45,010 disinformation okay well also T TSA has 770 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:46,890 a project called the atom project 771 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:52,120 regarding finding out more about you AP 772 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:56,650 fragments anything anomalous related 773 00:36:01,860 --> 00:35:58,210 regarding meta materials or exotic 774 00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:01,870 materials unknown alloys exotic alloys 775 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:03,180 are also called 776 00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:05,770 perhaps maybe they're also involved in 777 00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:08,380 the field of ufology because if anybody 778 00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:10,780 finds out anything that could be used 779 00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:13,540 for technology they want to be able to 780 00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:16,060 reverse-engineer it and use it how did 781 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:18,070 how does anyone feel about that anyone 782 00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:28,410 knowing at least having some idea of 783 00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:30,280 what the scientists on record 784 00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:32,260 as saying that they think they've got 785 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:34,180 something interesting here that merits a 786 00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:36,490 closer look and I'll name them again not 787 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:39,160 going back in the day Peter stearic then 788 00:36:43,710 --> 00:36:41,320 the more recently Jacques voulez Gary 789 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:43,720 Nolan and of course now put off so you 790 00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,700 got four scientists on the record saying 791 00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:47,680 they're in possession of some fragments 792 00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:49,270 are probably not all the same fragments 793 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:51,400 but different fragments that they think 794 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:53,170 are interesting for a variety of 795 00:37:00,120 --> 00:36:56,410 different reasons one in particular is 796 00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:00,130 the isotopic ratios of the material and 797 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:02,710 other is the purity of certain fragments 798 00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:04,900 not every fragment has each of those 799 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:08,020 characteristics but that's that's what 800 00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:10,270 they're interested in and obviously if 801 00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:14,020 you can sort of engineer the isotopic 802 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:17,079 ratios at least there is some tremendous 803 00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:17,650 potential 804 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:20,430 just giving you a real quick idea 805 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:23,910 enriching uranium is a method of 806 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:27,220 manipulating the the 235 isotope and is 807 00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:28,810 kind of bumping it up relative to the 808 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:33,700 238 isotope in uranium and as a result 809 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:36,490 of that you get nuclear weapon so again 810 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:37,510 there's something very very powerful 811 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:38,260 there 812 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:44,230 in that and that's they're looking into 813 00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:47,109 it you know I interviewed Gary Nolan 814 00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:48,940 maybe a little over a little bit over a 815 00:37:56,309 --> 00:37:52,030 year ago now and his you know at that 816 00:37:59,609 --> 00:37:56,319 point didn't know what the the usage was 817 00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,619 didn't know really what to do with it 818 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:01,440 and a lot of times that happen is that 819 00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:03,490 something new will come down the pike 820 00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:06,990 and it's amazing it's fantastic but 821 00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:09,790 nobody can figure out really a practical 822 00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:11,800 use for it so you have to kind of figure 823 00:38:16,349 --> 00:38:14,920 the the item out and then figure out 824 00:38:17,849 --> 00:38:16,359 what to do with it and those are 825 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:17,859 sometimes two different problems you 826 00:38:22,829 --> 00:38:21,609 know I also want to mention I think part 827 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:22,839 of the reason why the intelligence 828 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:25,180 community is involved in the area of 829 00:38:29,309 --> 00:38:27,609 ufology is for a few reasons pretty 830 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:29,319 obvious stuff and that is they will 831 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:31,450 always try and be involved in any group 832 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:34,030 in the u.s. period because they do it 833 00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,490 for reasons of surveillance and to 834 00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:38,800 collect data and and see if the group is 835 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:42,190 a threat to the government also like I 836 00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,540 said if they can 837 00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:45,520 find out if there's any new discoveries 838 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:50,740 in any group that is involved it touches 839 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:52,570 on science or technology or medicine 840 00:38:56,820 --> 00:38:53,350 anything like that 841 00:38:58,110 --> 00:38:56,830 is of deep interest to them a dr. Scott 842 00:39:01,020 --> 00:38:58,120 I had a question for you 843 00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,030 when I interviewed you you were talking 844 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:03,040 about how when you were employed by the 845 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:07,210 Defense Intelligence Agency in PhD PhD 846 00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,730 level which is gs-11 research in 847 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:12,160 satellite photography you worked with 848 00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:13,870 some of the highest security clearances 849 00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,550 which is above top-secret in the 850 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:17,680 government at that time you worked in 851 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:19,690 such divisions as the air order of 852 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,130 battle which should have been a 853 00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:22,960 government monitoring point for you at 854 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:25,630 UFO activity dr. Scott I was going to 855 00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:27,190 ask you what did you mean by that when 856 00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:29,500 you said that you work for such 857 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:31,180 divisions as an air order of battle 858 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:32,770 which should have been a government 859 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:34,810 monitoring point for UFO activity what 860 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:39,010 does that mean well what basically what 861 00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:44,110 they did was my job in was for a 862 00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:47,320 particular area earth to identify any 863 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:49,870 flying craft that was either on the 864 00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:55,570 ground or flying and so that would be a 865 00:40:01,760 --> 00:39:59,200 good way to look for UFOs but we didn't 866 00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:01,770 have a clearance for UFOs and my 867 00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:06,700 supervisors recruited a UFO and the and 868 00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:09,430 we had pretty good evidence that existed 869 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:12,700 was there photographically and we got 870 00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:15,250 debunked which is very strange 871 00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:18,280 we didn't have a clearance for UFOs even 872 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:22,360 though you'd think that if you're 873 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:25,210 supposed to identify every flying object 874 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:29,950 or things capable of flying that there 875 00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,370 should be something for you of those not 876 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:35,680 gave me the impression that way up above 877 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:38,320 at a higher security level or a 878 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:40,360 different toe board that they probably 879 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:43,420 are studying UFOs and I imagine they are 880 00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:44,950 now because they would have a 881 00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:49,710 photography to do it that's interesting 882 00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:51,940 there's a wonderful person by the name 883 00:40:57,029 --> 00:40:56,560 of Ada Severini who I speak to off and 884 00:40:59,309 --> 00:40:57,039 on about 885 00:41:01,409 --> 00:40:59,319 pathology and she actually was going 886 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:01,419 through some old project Bluebook files 887 00:41:09,029 --> 00:41:03,819 which I had given her the link to find 888 00:41:12,209 --> 00:41:09,039 all of the Bluebook documents and she 889 00:41:14,509 --> 00:41:12,219 poured over so much data for hours and 890 00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:14,519 she actually found a document that 891 00:41:23,009 --> 00:41:19,619 indicated the US Air Force had assigned 892 00:41:26,969 --> 00:41:23,019 intelligence sorry had assigned officers 893 00:41:29,429 --> 00:41:26,979 to any UFO activity so if there's a 894 00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,439 report to be had regarding UFO activity 895 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:31,839 in the government they would dispatch 896 00:41:36,509 --> 00:41:33,729 somebody from the Air Force which was 897 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:36,519 specific they actually made a group just 898 00:41:42,029 --> 00:41:39,729 for that to go do a report on that did 899 00:41:45,539 --> 00:41:42,039 you have any have you heard about that 900 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:45,549 before dr. Scott yeah actually 901 00:41:51,089 --> 00:41:47,650 another person I were talking to a 902 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:51,099 neighbor and this was a neighbor I knew 903 00:41:56,779 --> 00:41:53,049 very well he was well respected they 904 00:41:59,519 --> 00:41:56,789 remain everything neighborhood and 905 00:42:02,189 --> 00:41:59,529 nobody ever talked about UFOs to him and 906 00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:02,199 somehow we asked him and he said when he 907 00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:05,499 was in the Navy that he belonged to a 908 00:42:09,899 --> 00:42:07,630 real secret group and he wouldn't give 909 00:42:13,439 --> 00:42:09,909 too much information about but that they 910 00:42:19,279 --> 00:42:13,449 were dispatched all over the world when 911 00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:19,289 he was a flier but when they were not 912 00:42:24,209 --> 00:42:22,390 specifically flying someplace they flew 913 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:24,219 to different places and collected UFO 914 00:42:29,789 --> 00:42:27,249 information and got it back to the 915 00:42:31,409 --> 00:42:29,799 government through this real weird way 916 00:42:33,749 --> 00:42:31,419 they didn't just sing that back in the 917 00:42:35,579 --> 00:42:33,759 government with some secret thing of 918 00:42:37,019 --> 00:42:35,589 sending it to one country and then it 919 00:42:39,449 --> 00:42:37,029 goes to another country and then it went 920 00:42:42,779 --> 00:42:39,459 to the government and that was really 921 00:42:44,399 --> 00:42:42,789 surprising that he admitted that and he 922 00:42:47,219 --> 00:42:44,409 said it was a real secret and so I 923 00:42:50,279 --> 00:42:47,229 didn't give his name or anything now but 924 00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:50,289 I knew he was a reliable person that the 925 00:42:56,219 --> 00:42:52,900 government is sending out you know it 926 00:42:58,709 --> 00:42:56,229 was sending out people that elected UFO 927 00:43:01,019 --> 00:42:58,719 information yeah I thought was 928 00:43:04,019 --> 00:43:01,029 fascinating to you and ADA submarine has 929 00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:04,029 spent submarine ecent spent hours and 930 00:43:08,909 --> 00:43:07,029 hours scouring the documents to find the 931 00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:08,919 information she had found so in other 932 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:10,750 words she went through the project 933 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:14,770 book documents well there's there's many 934 00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:16,450 years of them but what whatever she 935 00:43:20,730 --> 00:43:19,240 could at the time and when she saw this 936 00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:20,740 interesting report which I'm about to 937 00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:23,470 read to you all it's very interesting in 938 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:26,440 anecdotal how the government chastises 939 00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:29,290 this person about their UFO report and 940 00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:32,230 you'll see why if she lost it and then 941 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:34,360 she spent four to six hours looking for 942 00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:37,150 it again so just to give her credit for 943 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:38,680 that I want to thank ADA for having 944 00:43:43,530 --> 00:43:41,290 found us and their letter starts off as 945 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:43,540 this your recent letter to President 946 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:45,610 Johnson concerning your sighting of an 947 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:47,650 unidentified flying object has been 948 00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:49,210 referred to this office 949 00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:52,150 meaning the Air Force unfortunately you 950 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:54,220 did not report your sighting soon enough 951 00:44:00,030 --> 00:43:56,710 so that a scientific investigation can 952 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:00,040 be made we have found after 30 days 953 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:02,530 precise details tend to become vague and 954 00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:04,630 an investigation would serve little 955 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:07,030 scientific or technical purpose should 956 00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:09,490 you ever cite another UFO please report 957 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:11,470 it as soon as possible to the nearest 958 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:14,770 Air Force Base each base in the United 959 00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:18,370 States government has a UFO investigator 960 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:21,220 who is in a better position to make an 961 00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:23,830 on-the-spot investigation which usually 962 00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:26,680 results in a more accurate analysis we 963 00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:28,660 are however involving a copy of the 964 00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:30,700 latest project Bluebook report by 965 00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:32,710 reading it you may be able to discover 966 00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:35,710 what it was that you observed sincerely 967 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:38,320 and they black out the name url' what do 968 00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:39,910 you think about that report isn't that 969 00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:46,200 great there have been interested in the 970 00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:48,550 phenomenon yeah you've been interested 971 00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:52,030 in it for a long long long long time it 972 00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:54,340 was affecting all the most you know 973 00:44:58,830 --> 00:44:57,190 secretive sensitive places in our 974 00:45:02,220 --> 00:44:58,840 country I mean for God's sake the 975 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:02,230 Roswell affair I mean we're we're right 976 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:03,910 there where they were you know working 977 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:07,450 on on you know when we sent that atomic 978 00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:11,530 bomb out from you know and right and you 979 00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:13,750 know they're just obviously it's a 980 00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:16,300 security they do see this as a security 981 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:19,660 issue and they should i mean i'll you 982 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:21,730 know i was talking earlier i was saying 983 00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:24,730 that you know that i 984 00:45:31,230 --> 00:45:28,390 I have some misgivings givings about you 985 00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:31,240 know the to the stars guys thinking of 986 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:34,390 this as a threat you know our our 987 00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:37,030 visitors but you don't want them to 988 00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:38,860 think that it's not either you know you 989 00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:41,800 hope that there's a balance in there so 990 00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:43,540 but you know what I find really 991 00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:46,300 interesting about the document you were 992 00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:49,720 just reading chant is that 993 00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:51,670 well now apparently if you call up an 994 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:53,980 Air Force Base and you try to you know 995 00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,050 tell them that you've seen the UFO 996 00:46:01,140 --> 00:45:58,960 they'll refer you to MUFON you know what 997 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:01,150 maybe they were for you to the stars 998 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:03,130 Academy as well now I don't know right 999 00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,570 or they'll say they don't know what 1000 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:05,920 you're talking about even though it's on 1001 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:10,510 their radar I just love this letter 1002 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:12,730 because it's kind of like hey stupid you 1003 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:14,740 should have reported it to us within 30 1004 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:15,370 days 1005 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:17,770 well that's cutting your attitude to 1006 00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:19,870 Roland a shame you kind of wanted one on 1007 00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:24,700 the present don't you we want to be able 1008 00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,070 to go and jump on a good report as fast 1009 00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:29,200 as we can because you you know people 1010 00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:33,280 tend to gloss over the facts and and you 1011 00:46:40,050 --> 00:46:35,320 know you want to get in there as soon as 1012 00:46:45,210 --> 00:46:40,060 you can I'm not too long about a year to 1013 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:45,220 go I called the airport just to report 1014 00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:49,510 UFO to see what and well you know I mean 1015 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:51,310 I I like Bigelow I don't know about you 1016 00:46:57,870 --> 00:46:52,810 guys I think he's an interesting guy 1017 00:46:59,820 --> 00:46:57,880 oh I agree yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah I 1018 00:47:03,000 --> 00:46:59,830 had a question about whistleblowers and 1019 00:47:04,260 --> 00:47:03,010 MUFON and the government dr. Scott I was 1020 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:04,270 going to ask you because you were on the 1021 00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:07,650 board of MUFON from the 1990s to 2000s 1022 00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:10,960 on the board of directors I wanted to 1023 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:13,240 ask you did you ever come across a 1024 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:15,970 whistleblower regarding wanting to leak 1025 00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:18,690 information from the government about